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Cablecast and web streaming of program in serieS "Conversations with Harold Hudson Channer" Upcoming Cable Television/Web Show: For details of airing see bottom of page FRIDAY DECEMBER 9, 2011 GUEST: (Repeat Airing of Interview - Videotaped June 1991)
HON. MU-AMMAR AL GADDAFI
R.I.P.
HON. MU-AMMAR AL GADDAFI
Leader:
The Great Socialist Peoples Libyan Arab Jamahiriya An Arab Islamic Challenge for Fundamental Change   Libyan
leader Muammar Qadhafi
addressing the summit. He along with
Mbeki were the prime creation of the African Union.
President Gamal Abdel
Nasser's Farewell
Message "I shall be leaving you tomorrow ... "I feel a new strength, a new blood in me ... I feel that the Arab people recognize
themselves in you, and that they have rediscovered
their determination. "In leaving, I say to you: 'My brother Mu`ammar al-Gadhafi is the
representative of Arab Arab revolution, and of Arab unity.' "My dear brothers, may God watch over you for the well-being of the Arab people. May you go from victory to victory, for your victories will be the victory of the whole Arab people ... "May God keep you."
& More recently
President of the African Union &
Initiator of
the Political Economic and Social alliance by the establishment of a
United States of Africa. U.S.A. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quotable Quotes Concerning Mu-Ammer al Gaddafi
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The program can be viewed in its entirety by clicking the you tube link below: - HON. MUAMMAR AL GADDAFI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------- More about: HON MU-AMMAR AL GADDAFI
A one hour 1991 Conversations program with the
leader of Libya.
Below it is a link to read
The Green Book online. 
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In view of the
recent reopening of the Issues around the downing of
Pan Am
Flight 103 and the release of
Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi
including a growing body
of
evidence of a mis carriage of justice in the
original conviction in his case before the Scottish
courts - we suggest we all keep an open eye on
developments in the matter and include below a
link
to an interesting BBC video interview with Saif
al-Islam al-Gaddafi
which might help to explain
how
and why Libya Accepted "Responsibly" for the
incident but has never admitted "Guilt." A
possible object lesson in the workings of
Realpolitik Hard Ball
International Relations -
worthy
of
Vito Corleone
& Co.?
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The program can be viewed in its entirety by clicking the you tube link below: - HON. MUAMMAR AL GADDAFI ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The Great
Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya is situated in
North Africa, stretching along
the Mediterranean shoreline for nearly 2,000 kilometers. Its area is 1,775,500 square kilometers making it the fourth largest country in Africa. Egypt is on its eastern border; Sudan, Chad and Niger are to the south and Tunisia and Algeria lie to the west.
_________________________________________________________________________________________ A Not So Brief Summary of a 30 Minute “Conversation” videotaped June 12, 1991 with: HON. MU-AMMAR AL GADDAFI (H.H.C.)
He explains the organizational schema in Libya is termed a "Jamaihiriya" - or "State of the Masses" system - which he claims is destined to become characteristic of the whole World - as an Historical inevitability! The country is divided in a large number of "People Congress's" with meeting halls established everywhere in the country where all citizens over 18 year of age are actually able to meet directly to debate and decide on policies of local, national and international concern, - and Sovereignty is theoretically vested in the People Congress's. It seems very much like the traditional New England notion of "Town Hall Meetings" - allusions to which were so prevalent in the American "political season of Ross Perot" at the time the program was originally videotaped and aired. Mr. Perot received some 20% of the National vote in 1992, and the term "Direct Participatory Democracy" is more and more a common place reference in theoretical political parlance. In practice the situation in Libya is much more complicated of course, but the idea and impetus is in keeping with the best, most progressive ideas and ideals of the modern era. The notions of Representative Democracy as advanced by America's founding fathers in 1776 must have seemed equally impossibly chaotic to the well established "Ancien Regime" Dynastic States in Europe of the time. REAL Democracy can at times seem Untidy. His ideas and the organization of the Country MAY WELL have great significance as an early and appropriate model to the World? Colonel Gaddafi also criticizes, in an interesting manner, the economic assumptions of the United States, Multi National Corporations and International Institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank which collectively might be seen as representing a "Modern Day Ancien Regime". Technology is advancing and ushering in an era of unprecedented productive capabilities. He points out that the "Ownership" of technology is very narrowly held around the World by a very small Plutocratic ownership class - while the bulk of the worlds citizens are resigned to serve only as laborers in a system where technology, often measured as Capital Assets, is increasingly responsible for production. Echoing themes found in his "Green Book" he states in the program that "Wage earners, however improved their wages may be, are a type of Slave"..."Wage earners are but slaves to the masters who hires them". This is likely to find resonance among a great number of American as well as others around the World when and where it fully dawns that a minuscule "class" own virtual all the capital assets which are increasingly responsible for production. And even when a economic boom occurs under a so called "liberal wing" of the ruling class as occurred in the United States during the recent so called: "dot com" bubble, the system was structured in an inherently flawed manner so as to further enrich the few with preferential stock options and immoral and illegal financial slight of hand shenanigans. However even during the growth period and particularly following the bursting of the bubble as the dust settled, it was obvious that the experience had left massive numbers of the "workers" penniless - many all but destitute - while the wealthy owners pocketed millions. It might justifiably be claimed such an outcome was inherent in the system and financial assumptions about the way Capital Formation is allowed to be achieved. Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Anderson and the whole panoply of corporate and financial scandals which rocked America and the system which created them and that still goes all but unchallenged and continues to undermine confidence in the United States - was not, in other words, the result of a momentary mistake or lack of judgment here and there but intrinsic to the assumptions of and the very structure of the system itself. Despite all the "happy talk" by Sycophant and Myopic Courtesans - Sinecured Courtiers - the System itself which has held sway for 200 years and daily declares itself invincible (representing the "End of History" according to Francis Fukuyama) is struggling under the weight of it's "Inherent Contradictions" (It seems Marx may have been right about that) and is very possibly vulnerable to competition by newer more appropriate Models. Again Libya - particularly at the level of basic grounding ideas and principals - may have moved ahead of the curve? As Difficult - in practical terms as it obviously would be - Colonial Gaddafi would "Abolish the Wage System"!! There are few public road side signs in Libya but one which is very prominently and widely displayed says: "Partners Not Wage Earners". Libya seems unique in attempting to make sure those who make up an organization are "Owners or Partners" of the operation rather than merely "Wage Slaves". Entrepreneurs are encouraged in Libya and helped in their start up trials but there is customarily one aspect there which is unique: "They Are Not Allowed To Hire Anyone!! ..... "Everyone Involved in the Enterprise Must Be a Partner - Or Owner - of the Corporate Entity”. Again the reality is somewhat more complicated but the Democratization of the Economy is again very much with the tide of History. Colonial Gaddafi said to me in off camera in informal conversation (in English) : "It Is Often Difficult Being Straight in a Crooked Crooked World" ! Indeed one telling moment in the taped "Conversations" (you could look it up - it's right there in the program) was when I made a statement: "That It Is Unfortunate That in The United States Everyone Is Asking For 'Jobs' When They Should Be Asking For Ownership" and he empathically answers "EXACTLY!!" To challenge "employment" as the Holy Grail seems outlandish to most in the Ruling Circles of the Modern Ancien Regime" - but when considering the increasing "input" to production by technology and particularly with impending Cyber additions to the pattern - questioning and challenging the proposition that all income distribution to the masses should be through "jobs" (which is the case with the vast majority of the World's population) may be destined to soon become a front and center issue of World debate in the time ahead. "Partners Not Wage Earners" might well become a real rallying call with deep political implications. Unfortunately there is little concern with this among the very well ensconced old order where all assets - again increasingly responsible for production - are so narrowly held by a small group who can control the entire society by their selection of compliant managers for their "Wholly Owned and Operated" Media Outlets" etc. Resting on long accepted practice they feel they are assured of an army of compliant "Wage Slaves" to manage and man their institutions as faithfully as the Loyal Royal retainers on Mediaeval feudal estates. Metaphorically they are as Gaddafi surmises "Industrial Age Serfs “ - in a Dawning Age of Cybernetic Cotton Picking Machines - and increasingly everything else under the rubric “The Means of Production”. Aristotle observed that the Slave conditions which applied in ancient Athens would be necessary - so that some could lead a civilized life of the mind and spirit - and would be remain necessary "unless and until the loom learned to weave." That age may be dawning and even at hand - and again Libya may be ahead of History's curve.Libya is very well positioned to play an extremely important modernizing role in the Middle East and the Islamic World where the United States has very likely become mired in a inappropriate disastrous extension of Military Power in what can only be seen by most of the World as an extension of traditional European Style Colonial rule. Besides threatening to exhaust the American National Treasury it has created a deep well of resentment among the World's growing hordes of Les Miserables reduced metaphorical and actually to attending to and manicuring the lawns within the gated communities - Castle Keeps - of their plutocratic overlords - much like their counter part serfs on the Feudal estates of the "good old days". Or the current system which insists on characterizing itself as the Model for the "End of History" - for the Ages as It were - while the poverty plagued masses of the World (over 50% live on less than $2.00 a day) are left to die of Aids and other easily preventable diseases. Gaddafi has won the whole hearted support of Nelson Mandela by taking a Progressive position concerning Africa with it's daunting problems which are all but being ignored by the "Established Powers” that be – often inappropriately referred to as “The International Community". He has had interesting communications with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Luiz Inácio Lula Da Silva Lula of Brazil and many of the Progressive elements of "World Public Opinion" which the New York Times characterized as "The Other World Super Power" aligned against the United States in it's Unilateral March to War in Iraq. It would seem that if there is any hope for the needed change which treats the Earth as United Whole System including the Masses and all within a proper ecological context - it will only come from the will of the people inspired by a vision of the means toward the Universal Justice and Practical efficiencies predicated on ideas truly relevant to the dawning new realities. Tax Cuts for the already wealthy will not serve - catering to the powerful alone is actually counter productive - for, in truth, the politically and economically powerful are sure to be a "lagging indicator" - the last to see - the wisdom and the means of doing the "Right Thing" which may now be possible for the whole of Planet Earth. There are other sources of course - but a big change is, as Bob Dylan sang, "Blowing in the Wind" - and Libya presents an interesting possible source worthy of study particularly for ideas which are neither Right Wing or Left Wing - neither Proletarian Marxist or Plutocratic Capitalist but grounded on ideas and principles which are able to subsume and ultimately accommodate both with comprehensively conceived understanding of the consequences of the crucial times in which we live and particularly within which all Humanity's progeny will hopeful prosper - "one and all." Democratic Ownership Economics - or even assumptions which could lead toward that direction - would represent a real Paradigm shift which the Old Order shows no real sign of contemplating. But as always it seems the new ideas never come in Societies which are heavily structured upon assumptions and institutions and habits of thought - of the outdated Paradigm. It was the "Loutish" America example which inspired Les Miserables of France and It may well be that the example of Libya might become a Model - which has the basic ideas and issues right - and in keeping with the times - and might inspire the Emerging Masses of the World including - in the end - the People of the United Sates and its allies to think anew the need for a just and Historically relevant future pathway out of the morass they so proudly proclaim as representing the "End of History?" Of course the bulk of "establishment thought' will pooh-pooh the notion of any need for fundamental change and will deride and scoff at any who attempt to question the basic legitimacy of the old order. But the mighty force of their propaganda machine need not restrain the thinking of people around the world - including the United States of America - whose leaders seem - to increasing numbers around the World - to be caught like a deer in the head lights - unable to comprehend the changes the times call for and can only flail about defending the old outmoded ways of Political, Economic and Social organization. This "Conversation" might help instill thinking about possible new ways of seeing the world - and it's necessarily liberating potential for a new order of things. For that reason you would be encouraged to view this brief and therefore inherently limited introduction to one system which challenges the whole proposition by which the world has been and is being run by a system of thought which can increasingly be seen as mired in an Historical "Ancien Regime" myopia!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If our calculations are correct it was: 70, 550 days after the July 4, 1776 signing of the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America Which Set about establishing an Historically Relevant Challenge to an “Ancien Regime” feudal order which had lorded over Europe for a 1,000 years with a future vision for that age - emerging from a long Dark Age & 33 Days after the First Manned landing on the Moon & 17 Days after the initial Kick off of the Woodstock Festival by Richie Haven Singing to the assembled multitudes his Signature Song: FREEDOM THAT ON September 1, 1969 the Revolution in Libya - Living up to the famous quote by Herodotus “The New Comes From Libya" - Libya began the arduous task of formulating a Political Economic and Social system relevant to what our future requires of all mankind at this perilous moment in the broader evolution of affairs - human and beyond. HEARTY CONGRATULATION TO THE PEOPLE OF LIBYA ON THIS THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR MARKING THE MOMENT OF THEIR NEW BEGINNING! (September 1, 2009) H.H.C.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Martyrization of the Hon Mu-Ammar al Gaddafi
History’s Martyrs who supported & attempted to advance good appropriate causes are so numerous as to be all but uncountable: The Aboriginal Cultures of the Americas & Africa and the larger World, thecountless victims of violence unto death of countless systems based on outright Chattel Slavery which continues only marginally changed by modern Economic Theory, the victims of the Jewish Communities of 20th Century Europe – indeed the whole ugly panoply of History which James Joyce appropriately called a Nightmare. Some of the more notable or remembered over the centuries with effect even on to the present thus having a post-mortem effect even onto the present day in both Spiritual and in Secular terms of Global Reality Developments. Major examples would include Jesus of Nazareth, Ali and the believe in the prophetic 12th Imam informing the Shia branch of the Islamic Ummah, and innumerable many others as well as political and/or examples from History & legend who were Martyred for their assertion of a broadly conceived interpretation of Truth & Justice like: Spartacus, Robin Hood, William Wallace, Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi and again countless others. All contributed to an enhanced dimension of influence upon the human condition following their demise
The Eurocentric / American Neo Colonial Imperialist entities which engineered the overthrow and Assassination of Mu-Ammar al Gaddafi - taking full advantage of a long standing tactic of - creating - then taking advantage of their “Divide and Conquer” strategy – and their current so elaborately self serving celebration proclaiming their Self Identified ‘Historical Legitimacy” to Rule the planet may have made a Gigantic mistake – even attempts to justify by repair to the most hard core adhering to the most cynical assertions of REALPOLIK. This even as it is becoming clear that the Social Economic and Political assumptions and institutional and Intellectual mooring of the system they represent are daily becoming more obviously Historically inadequate to what the future not only offers in a newly liberating manner but requires truly a monumental large scale systems Change to achieve. What can be understood by unbiased and open minded analysis is that Libya under his leadership had moved ahead of History’s curve and ahead of the modern day Eurocentric Ancien Regime. Libya under Gaddafi provided an ideological context which had laid the foundation for not only a much needed Participatory Democratic Political Structure but perhaps an even more importantly a true Economic Participatory Democratic order. It is contended this Libyan contribution will be resurrected in the time ahead
After all the current political back and forthing - arranging the deck chairs of the good but crucially flawed good ship “Ancien Regime” the listing Flag Ship of the World’s Current Plutocratic Ownership class – the 1 (or to be charitable 5% - of humanity) at the expense of the other 95 – to 99 % of Systematically underserved exploited, long suffering - whose time may be at hand. When that day dawns and that class finally & irrevocably emerges, there will also be an re-emerging recognition of Mu-Ammar al Gaddafi’s monumental positive contributions.
That in a manner similar to all the interrelated events which occurred around about 1776 when it came to be understood the necessity of the of a post 1000 year period following the final fall of the Roman Empire – when a European Feudal order wherein “Historical Legitimacy” had been seen and accepted as belonging the Hereditary Dynastic States whose proponents made justification for (build upon the bodies of the MANY) – and came to base their claim on “The Divide Right of Kings.
It may well be we are experiencing the end of an era which cannot abide any longer and will not tolerate a system whose claim to Historical Legitimacy seems for have become based on “The Devine Right of a Predatory Ownership Class”. Such thinking seems to be emerging currently and when the serious examination of Mankind’s current situation and particularly its search for sources of a new historically & futuristically appropriate & factual relevant “Operating Manuel for Spaceship Earth” - the Guidelines set by the now Martyred Mu-ammar Al Gaddafi will be necessarily resurrected as one of the most import guides to the way forward.
Concerning the current Occupy Wall Street Movement: Among the many contributions to their wise Horizontal - even all inclusive - approach which might well allow for Real Systems Wide, Comprehensive - Critical thinking and analysis concerning a new World organization they might well include the progressive – slightly ahead of his time - but relevant to what is to emerge and come to celebrate – among many others - Muammar Al Gaddafi’s many progressive contributions to new visions – finally after 200,000 years – of a liberation for all Humanity and the ecological order which sustains them. This of course baring the utter destruction of the Homo Sapiens species by those visionless, so called leading members of World society” in their insistence - only on the reification of the institutions and assumptions of their Modern Day Ancien Regime - that same coterie so heartily congratulating themselves on their successful – mob like “Wipe Out”.
All support to the current LADS AND LASSIES of the OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT! ON TO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD
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