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Tuesday, June 14, 2011

The NATO Bombing of Al Fateh University, Campus B

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More NATO "Humanitarian Intervention: The Bombing of Al Fateh University, Campus B 14June 2011

By Cynthia McKinney

Since coming to Tripoli to see first hand the consequences of the NATO military operations, it has become clear to me that despite the ongoing silence of the international press on the ground here in Libya, there is clear evidence that civilian targets have been hit and Libyan civilians injured and killed. This Tuesday morning I was taken from my hotel across the city through its bustling traffic to the Al Fateh University. On 9 June, Dean Ali Mansur was outside in the parking lot. The sky was blue like Carolina blue. The clouds were white--no chemtrails in sight. Puffy and white. Dean Mansur was visibly upset. It seems that some of the young men at Al Fateh University, Campus B were fighting over girls. He explained to me that Libyans are hot blooded. With a gleam in his eye, he whispered to me that girls are important to young men. Yes, that was clearly evident today as I approached the campus of Al Fateh University, Campus B, formerly known as Nasser University. Under the trees, throughout the lawn as we approached the campus gates, I could see young men and women talking to each other, talking on cell phones, walking to and fro, assembled, probably talking about the latest campus news--whatever that might be. Today, on the Al Fateh campus, life was teeming. Student life seemed vibrant. This feel and ambiance of this university was not unlike the hundreds of other universities that I have visited in the US and around the world. Libyan boys and girls are like ours. My son would easily fit into the life of this university. The campus seemed vibrant, too. Cranes everywhere indicated a healthy building program, adding new buildings to enhance the student learning environment. Despite the students' fracas, Dean Mansur had everything to be happy about as he saw his university becoming bigger, better, and stronger. Her told me that they had even signed an agreement with a British university to begin programs in the English language. Not English studies, Dean Mansur emphasized, but an entire curriculum of study taught in the English language! Of course, he entoned, that's all disappointingly ended now. Al Fateh University, Campus B consists of about 10,000 undergraduates, 800 masters degree candidates, and 18 Ph.D. students; 220 staff, 150 ad hoc professors, 120 employees. It has eight auditoriums, 19 classrooms, 4 extra large classrooms. It also has a rural campus at Al Azizia where 700 students are taught and are a part of the university system. Dean Mansur compares himself to a mayor because he has so many responsibilities presiding over a large community of students engaging in a rich and vibrant academic life. Dean Mansur told me that life at the university and, for him personally, changed forever on the afternoon of Thursday 9 June, 2011. He recalled that the university opened as usual around 8:00 am and was to close later that evening at about 8:00 pm. Thursday, 9 June, he thought, was going to be just like any other day, except for the fracas over the girls that had cleared the campus of many of the students who didn't want to have any part in the fighting. So, outside in the campus parking lot, Dr. Mansur told me he was preoccupied thinking how he would deal with the disciplinary issue before him. Then, out of nowhere and all of a sudden, he heard something loud up in the sky. He said it began out of no where, a loud roar. Then a frightful high pitched the hissing sound. He said he looked up into the sky and couldn't hardly believe his eyes: something shiny up in the sky appeared dancing in front of him. He said it moved about like an atari game or something. It danced and zig-zagged all over the sky. He said he was transfixed on the object for what seemed like minutes but in truth must have only been seconds. Up and down and sideways it raced in the sky and then, without warning, it just came crashing down into the ground nearby. It was a NATO missile. Tragically it had found its target: Al Fateh University, Campus B. Dean Mansur said he saw one missile, lots of fire, lots of different colors all around it, and then a huge plume of smoke. He saw one missile, but heard what seemed like many explosions. He said he now can't honestly say how many. Dr. Mansur said the force and shock of the blast held him frozen in his place. He said his heart stopped for a moment. He wasn't afraid, just frozen. He didn't run away; he didn't cower; he said he just stood stupefied. The force of the blast cracked thickened concrete wells, shattered hundreds of windows and brought numerous ceilings down in lecture halls. Whether it was a wayward Tomahawk Cruise Missile or a misdirected laser guided bomb, no one knows. His immediate thoughts were for the thousands of his students in the university and for his own three children who study there. After about 30 minutes, the Libyan press came to see what had happened. the University President and other officials of the school all came. But to Dr. Mansur's surprise not the international press. And what did they see? The media saw the widespread structural damage to many of the buildings, all of the windows blown out in every one of the eight auditoriums. Doors blown off their hinges. Library in a shambles. Books and debris everywhere. The campus mosque was damaged. Glass heaped up in piles. Some efforts at cleaning up had begun. Dr Mansur says that they have kept the university, wherever practicable, in much the same condition as it was on the day of the attack. Except that the main classroom area that students work in has been cleaned and will be renamed the Seif Al-Arab auditorium complex in memory of Muammar Qaddafi's son murdered on April 30, 2011 in his home by NATO bombs. On Thursday, NATO missiles. Friday and Saturday are considered the weekend here. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, the students are back to school undaunted by the bombing. In many of the classrooms I saw today, students were taking final exams amid the debris. As I walked around the campus, one male voice shouted out and spoke to me in Arabic: "Where's Obama?" Good question I thought. I've always wondered if the politicians who regularly send our young men and women away to war and who regularly bomb the poor peoples of the world have ever, themselves, been on the receiving end of a Cruise Missile attack or placed themselves and their family at the mercy of a laser guided depleted uranium bomb. Maybe, just maybe I thought, that if they had experienced first hand the horror of a NATO attack on a civilian target they might just stop and question for a minute the need to dispatch our armed forces to attack the people of Libya. I didn't want to disturb the students taking exams so I found some students standing outside not taking exams to talk to. I asked them if they had anything to say to President Obama. One professor, a woman, spoke up readily and said, "We are working under fire: physical and psychological." One student spoke up and said that President Obama should "Free Palestine and leave Libya alone." He continued, "We are one family." More on that later, but briefly, every Libyan is a member of a tribe and every tribe governs itself and selects its leaders; those leaders from all of the tribes then select their leaders, and so on until there is only one leader of all of the tribes of Libya. I met that one tribal leader yesterday in another part of Tripoli and I am told he is the real leader of this country. He presides over the Tribal Council which constitutes Libya's real policymakers. So when the young man said "We are one family," that is actually the truth. Dr. Mansur, trained in the United States and spoke fondly of his time in the US and the many friends he made there. He is proud of his students and the richness of his university's community life. He was just like any University Dean in the United States. In my view God intervened on Thursday 9 June, 2011. On the day that the missile struck, not one student was killed. It could so easily have been different. It could have been a catastrophe taking the lives of hundreds of teenagers. I am told that in the surrounding area immediately outside the university others were not so fortunate. Reports are that there were deaths in the nearby houses. It's a funny thing about war. Those who cause war become oblivious and removed from its consequences; they seem happy to inflict harm on others and become numb to its ill effects while war's victims find a way to normalize the abnormal and live with the constant threat of death and destruction. After visiting Tripoli, I remain as opposed to war as ever before. The students at Al Fateh University continue their studies despite the siege that their country is under. And oh, that second group of students that I randomly spoke to? I asked them how much they pay for tuition. They looked at me with puzzled faces even after the translation. I asked them how much they pay for their books. Again, the same puzzled face. Tuition at Al Fateh University is 16 dinars per year--about $9. And due to the NATO embargo on gasoline imports, the school now has started 10 free bus lines to its surrounding areas in order to make sure that the students can get to school, free of charge. I told them that I was about to enter a Ph.D. program in the US myself and that I needed tuition and book money costing tens of thousands of dollars. I continued that my cousin is in debt $100,000 because she went to the schools of her choice and received a Master's degree. They said to me, "We thank Muammar Qaddafi. Because of Muammar Qaddafi we have free education. Allah, Muammar, Libya obes!" Well as for NATO, they still cling to the chimera that their strikes are against military targets only and that theirs is a "humanitarian intervention." I'm still waiting to find evidence somewhere in the world that bombing poor civilian populations of the Third World from the air is good for their voting rights, democracy, medical care, education, welfare, national debt, and enhancing personal income and wealth distribution. It seems clear to me that complex life issues require more complex intervention than a Cruise Missile could ever deliver. Here is video of Michel Collon about western wars and the media lies that accompany them (thanks to Rosemary Tylka for sending this to me for forwarding): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXFAsz6_W50&feature=player_embedded

Don DeBar

Saturday, June 11, 2011

DISPATCHES FROM LIBYA - DAY EIGHT

It's been a week since we first started passing on the information coming to us from on the ground in Tripoli, and you can see that the truth is quite a bit different from the picture being painted by US media, including by such "progressive" outlets as Democracy Now and post-coup Pacifica Radio. There are still remaining, however, some free spaces within Pacifica where the word has been getting out - more on that within.

Some of the Dignity delegation has returned to the US - our first two pieces today are interviews conducted here in the US after their return.

First is an interview done yesterday with Dignity delegation member Dedon Kamathi, a producer for Pacifica Radio's KPFK-FM in Los Angeles. That interview, by Askia Muhammad, aired on Pacifica's Washington, DC station WPFW-FM yesterday. You can hear it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REd_YtUfrio

Next is a piece written by Dignity delegation member Wayne Madsen, a Washington, DC journalist who specializes in intelligence matter. That piece, entitled "NATO's 'Alternate Universe' in Libya" begins as follows:

"The Pentagon and its NATO partners are engaged in one of the most obvious and intensive propaganda ploys in their military operations against Libya since the days leading up to the "Coalition of the Willing" attack on Iraq." The entire piece can be found at http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=627079

I was interviewed by PressTV this past Thursday about the War on Libya, including the attempt by the US to present it as a NATO, and not American, enterprise, as well as how the cost of the US wars are impacting the US economic crisis - that interview can be found at http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/183967.html

I am waiting for some further information about some rather graphic video I received yesterday from Tripoli; when I receive it, I will post a link and description of same.

Don DeBar

Tuesday, June 7, 2011

From Cynthia McKinney: WE ARE NOW UNDER ATTACK IN TRIPOLI!!!

It is now 1:10 in the afternoon and as the daily life in Tripoli unfolds that includes teachers, staff, and children at school, shopkeepers working in their businesses, streetsweepers sweeping the streets, people moving to and fro in the cars, on bicycles, and on foot, Tripoli has thus far since around 11:00 up to now, received at least 29 bombs.

Interestingly, the efforts of the Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press, and others to portray Libya claims on the bombings as "absurd" are patently false and are merely efforts to defend in the court of public opinion, the indefensible bombing of civilians going about their lives in a heavily populated area. The Washington Post headlined "Libya government fails to prove claims of NATO casualties" and the Los Angeles Times headline blared "Libya officials put a spin on a conflict." These bombs and missiles are not falling in empty spaces: people are all over Tripoli going about their lives just as in any other major metropolitan city of about two million people.

Meanwhile, NATO has a spin machine of its own: NATO says it is making "significant progress" in protecting Libyan civilians. "What we did target was the military intelligence headquarters in downtown Tripoli," the alliance said. I am currently with a delegation of former MP's and professors from France who are here in Tripoli on a fact-finding mission. The program for today was to visit the camps of internally displaced persons in this part of the country. However, we are not able to complete our program while Tripoli is under attack. I will do my best to visit some of the areas bombed today when/if this attack lets up.

What were you doing today between 1:00 pm and now? The people of Tripoli endure the trauma of repeated bombings in their immediate environment.

See video of wounded civilians, taped in their rooms in El Khadra Hospital in Tripoli, at www.WBAIX.org

Don DeBar

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Eyewitness Libya: Cynthia McKinney reports back on the massive bombing of Tripoli - Nationwide speaking tour

Cynthia McKinney reports from Tripoli, Libya
Huge bunker-buster bomb creates
devastating damage in downtown Tripoli.

Saturday, June 25, 2pm
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* Akbar Muhammad, Nation of Islam 
* Ramsey Clark, former Attorney General 
* Viola Plummer, December 12th Movement 
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McKinney and the other speakers will shed light on the devastating impact of the U.S./NATO bombing of Libya and the extensive civilian casualties that the White House, Pentagon and the media have persistently denied. McKinney is currently on her second trip to Libya during the NATO bombing. During her time there, she has visited several hospitals, and has conducted video interviews with doctors and the wounded.

Under the guise of humanitarian intervention and protecting civilians, NATO has carried out a massive bombing of the country in Africa with the largest oil reserves. McKinney's report shows how devastating the bombing has been for civilians in Tripoli and elsewhere.

Other major tour stops include: San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles. 

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Please bring your friends, family members, neighbors and co-workers to the White House on Saturday July 9, 2011, to demand “Stop the Bombing of Libya!”

Buses and car caravans are coming from New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Haven and other cities and towns.

Hundreds of organizations and individuals are coming together to mobilize for the July 9 demonstration at the White House, which was initiated by the ANSWER Coalition following the Cynthia McKinney national speaking tour titled “Eyewitness Libya.”

Please make an urgently needed donation to help pay for transportation costs, posters and leaflets.

Following the July 9 protest at the White House, we will be mobilizing for a mass action against the bombing of Libya taking place on Saturday, August 13 in Harlem. The demonstration is initiated by the December 12th Movement and has the support of a large number of organizations. More details are coming soon.

Contrary to the absurd argument that the bombing of Libya does not constitute a “hostility,” this is fierce and illegal war aimed at carrying out regime change in the country that possesses the largest oil reserves in Africa and the ninth largest in the world.

Hundreds of thousands of people demonstrated in Tripoli on June 17 against the U.S./NATO bombing and the terrible toll it has taken on the people, economy and infrastructure of Libya. Of course, you didn’t see any coverage of this huge demonstration in the corporate media. That massive outpouring of humanity undoubtedly included many people who have grievances against the current Libyan government. But the people of Tripoli, like people everywhere, stand together against bombing by foreign powers in pursuit of an imperial agenda. Libyans want peace and they must be free to determine their own destiny.

The people of the United States are adding their voice of opposition on Saturday, July 9 at the White House. By a margin of 2-to-1, the American people oppose this illegal and criminal war. There is no such thing as a “humanitarian” cruise missile. The U.S. government is spending $10 million a day bombing Libya while it bombs Afghanistan and still occupies Iraq with 47,000 troops.

In the name of “protecting civilians” NATO is killing civilians—and describing them as “legitimate military targets.”

On June 20, for instance, NATO and the Pentagon pummeled the birthday party of a four-year-old boy with heavy missiles. They killed 16 civilians, including the four-year-old and his mom, as well as other children and their parents. The four-year-old was the grandson of Khweldi el-Hamedi, an associate of Colonel Gaddafi who participated in the 1969 coup that overthrew the old monarchy.

NATO is killing the civilian family members of the Libyan government in an attempt to break the will of those they have targeted for destruction and overthrow. The Pentagon used the same type of tactic in the 1991 Iraq war.

At a time when the U.S. government says that it is broke and that tens of thousands of teachers and nurses and other workers are being fired because of the “budget crisis,” there seems to be limitless funds for war, bombing, invasion and occupation.

Please join us Saturday, July 9 at the White House.

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Activists calling protest in effort to end war on North African nation, stop sanctions against Zimbabwe and counter assault on Black people

 

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'There have been times in history when the people have been faced with grave challenges, and they have met those challenges with profound, sustained actions that have made a difference. ..We believe this is one of those times.'
—Lawrence Hamm, Peoples Organization for Progress chairman

NEW YORK (FinalCall.com) - Disturbed by what they see as a White House that has ignored their concerns, anti-war activists called a press conference in Harlem to announce the “Millions March in Harlem” protest and their demand for an end to the bombing of the North African nation of Libya and ending illegal sanctions against Zimbabwe in Southern Africa.

 

The coalition includes Pan African activists, anti-war and progressive organizations, and the Nation of Islam, said protest organizers at the June 21 press conference at the Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. State Office Building

“We want to get a million people in the streets,” said Viola Plummer of the Brooklyn-based December 12th International Secretariat, or December 12th Movement. Her group is a UN recognized non-governmental organization that works on domestic and human rights issues, reparations and advocates on behalf of Africa and the Black Diaspora worldwide.

The march is scheduled for August 13.

“We need to go into our communities to build a consciousness concerning the connections to what is happening in Africa, and how these events relate to the struggle here in Harlem,” Omowale Clay, also a December 12th member, explained during the press conference.

Anti-war activists expressed their full support for the Harlem march. “That is what is needed against these wars—a huge mobilization,” Sara Flounders from the anti-war International Action Center told The Final Call.

 

One of the keynote speakers at the press conference was Father Miguel d'Escoto Brockman, a former foreign minister of Nicaragua during the popular Sandinista regime of former President Daniel Ortega. The fiery priest, who also served as the 63rd president of the United Nations General Assembly, gave a history lesson about the workings of the UN, and how the world body complements the “imperialist agenda of the United States government.”

 

The atmosphere created by the U.S. in the international community is like “taking arsenic,” he said.

Father Miguel d'Escoto has never bitten his tongue when it comes to condemning U.S. hegemony. During an acceptance speech at the UN, he spoke out against “acts of aggression” in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

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“The behavior of some member states has caused the UN to lose credibility as an organization capable of putting an end to war and eradicating our planet,” he said. His remarks were immediately condemned by U.S. officials at the United Nations.

 

Father d'Escoto continued his condemnation of U.S. foreign policy during his talk in Harlem, saying, “The U.S. is dedicated to war.

“The U.S. talks about terrorism. The U.S. is a terrorist power,” declared the fiery priest/politician.

Meanwhile news organizations prompted by the regimes in Washington, Great Britain and France said Libya's Muammar Gadhafi was going to slaughter thousands of his people, he noted. “No one ever saw a picture of the alleged slaughter in Libya, but the UN voted for resolutions 1970 and 1973,” he said. These UN Security Council resolutions also asked for an International Criminal Court warrant for individuals inside the Gadhafi government in Tripoli.

‘United Nation's body a war council'

“The U.S. and its allies at the UN are using the two UN resolutions as their cover for regime change,” said Abdul Akbar Muhammad, the international representative of the Nation of Islam, one of the supporting organizations for the August march.

“The United Nations has become a war council,” Mr. Muhammad said.

The African Union nations at the United Nations should say “later for the UN until we see you are becoming a peace council,” he added.

Mr. Muhammad pointed to targeting of Zimbabwe, when the West decided to remove President Robert Mugabe, following his efforts to take farmland from White commercial farmers and return the land to the people of Zimbabwe.

But, Mr. Mugabe has withstood the imperialist onslaught, said Mr. Muhammad.

Still just as the West went after President, the West is going after Pres. Gadhafi, who for now is holding his position as NATO continues its air strikes, he continued.

NATO continues to say its war making is protecting the civilian population in Libya, but activists say the opposite is happening.

 

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Western nations, led by the U.S. in the Security Council, continue to stymie efforts by the African Union to get a Presidential Statement reaffirming Resolution 1973 forbids any foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.

 

In the corridors outside of the Security Council, members of diplomatic delegations representing the three African nations on the council huddled together. South Africa, Gabon and Nigeria said their proposed statement stresses the need for “a political solution” to the conflict in Libya.

According to press leaks, the Presidential Statement also says: “The Security Council reaffirms its strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and national unity of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.”

A UN Security Council presidential statement, while not legally binding, reflects the overall consensus of member states. The statement is usually issued when a permanent member, such as U.S., UK, France, China or Russia, threatens to use their veto. The sitting president of the council then signs the statement. Gabon held the seat for the rotating presidency for the month of June.

White House spends $10 million a day on NATO warmongering

President Obama, back in March, said he had “ordered our armed forces to help protect the Libyan people from the brutality of the regime of President Gadhafi.” The operation had a “limited scope” and a “specific purpose,” said Mr. Obama.

“It's in our national interest to act. And it's our responsibility,” said America's first Black president.

However Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador at the UN, told reporters June 23 the Security Council urged the 192-member world body to recognize the Transitional National Council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.

 

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The New York Times wrote that the United States is spending $10 million a day to supply the NATO war machine against Libya, Mr. Muhammad noted. “What could $70 million do for the community of Harlem?” he asked. Letters should be sent to the White House asking the president to take a look at the suffering in Harlem, Mr. Muhammad suggested.

 

According to Ms. Flounders. sixty percent of the people in the U.S. say they are against what is taking place in Libya.

She admitted activists now see Congress will be no help and mixed-signals are coming out of Washington. Ms. Flounders is referring to a June 24 vote, when the House of Representatives voted 238-180 against a Republican-led effort to halt the funds for the Libyan war; and voted 295-123 in a so-called symbolic gesture to challenge the president's authority to continue supporting the NATO-led action.

There was hope that some politicians understood what is happening to Americans, said Ms. Flounders. “The U.S. Conference of Mayors on June 20 said to President Obama, redirect the billions spent on war toward urgent domestic needs,” Ms. Flounders noted.

Coalition members in support of the Aug. 13 march also include the New Black Panther Party, All African People's Revolutionary Party, and the Committee to Eliminate Media Offensive to African People, International Association Against Torture, the Freedom Party, and other groups to be announced.

Scheduled for June 27, the Newark-based Peoples Organization for Progress was to launch their “Daily People's Campaign for Jobs, Peace and Equality” One of the key issues the group will deal with is ending wars in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. “There have been times in history when the people have been faced with grave challenges, and they have met those challenges with profound, sustained actions that have made a difference,” said Lawrence Hamm, Peoples Organization for Progress chairman. “We believe this is one of those times,” he added. The date June 27 is also the official end date for NATO's 90-day “no-fly zone” mandate in Libya.


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